gparr
November 25th, 2005, 04:38 PM
My primary tip is patience. When the wind is blowing, even slightly, if you're patient you will start to get in tune with the wind and be able to pick out the calm moments that always occur. You just have to be ready and then get off as many shots as possible during that calm moment. I shoot as many of my flower shots as I can very early or very late in the day. By very early, I mean at or just after sunrise. The wind is usually calm for a short while until the sun starts to heat the admosphere. I've had considerable success shooting in the very soft light at or after sunset, when the wind also calms. Long shutter speeds though. Unfortunately, too many blooms aren't open until the sun is higher in the sky and you have to resort to patience.
I've also had great success with a trick Don Bevis shared. You can get thin bamboo sticks in bundles for just a couple of dollars at your local nursery. Get the longer ones. I always carry two of them with me and stick them in the ground so that they apply slight pressure to the plant stem. This cuts down considerably on the movement. Don't know where Don learned the trick, but it works.
Some use a tool called a Plamp. See it here (http://www.naturephotographers.net/gs/gswimplamp.html) I've never used one, though have been tempted. The fear I have is that any clamping device will damage the plant. I shoot a lot in the gardens of several neighbors and at the Chicago Botanic Garden and make it a point to never leave any trace of my having been there. In other words, no footprints in the flower beds, no damaged plants, nothing. Don's trick works so well because it steadies the plant without causing any damage. It doesn't always work, but it does so often enough that it's worth hauling the sticks around.
I've also read several threads on other sites where people describe using "tents" to both diffuse the light and to stop the wind. I don't have any links for solid techniques, but will try to find some. It's tempting, though yet another piece of gear to carry.
These days I make heavy use of my 5-in-1 disk for diffusion and reflection. I have the 22-in. Photoflex Multidisc (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=breadCrumb&A=search&Q=&ci=6196), which I like a lot. It's excellent for a lot of light control purposes and sometimes serves as a good wind block. There are cheaper ones, but Kevin Sadler talked me into spending more money to get a quality product and I haven't regretted it.
When all else fails, I resort to flash to get the shot. I greatly dislike using flash and only use it when I want a shot and know that it's get it now or never. If I can come back and get the shot at a calmer time without flash, I will. I do use flash on occasion if I feel that the shot needs a little spark of light, but generally not. Flash is always used on a remote cord and diffused in some way, either with the wide-angle diffuser that's built into it, or by shooting through or bouncing it off of my multidisc.
As for shooting technique, a tripod is a must. I have two, but the one I use for flower shots allows me to splay the legs out and get the camera very low and/or allows me to reverse the column (I bought a short column to replace the one that came with the tripod) and hang the camera upside down. I use a ball head with a quick release. I also almost always use a remote release and frequently use mirror lock up. It's amazing how many images I've ruined because I moved the camera by pushing the shutter button or vibration from the mirror cause the slightest blur.
But above all, getting flower shots just requires a lot of patience. Hope all of this rambling helps.
Gary
I've also had great success with a trick Don Bevis shared. You can get thin bamboo sticks in bundles for just a couple of dollars at your local nursery. Get the longer ones. I always carry two of them with me and stick them in the ground so that they apply slight pressure to the plant stem. This cuts down considerably on the movement. Don't know where Don learned the trick, but it works.
Some use a tool called a Plamp. See it here (http://www.naturephotographers.net/gs/gswimplamp.html) I've never used one, though have been tempted. The fear I have is that any clamping device will damage the plant. I shoot a lot in the gardens of several neighbors and at the Chicago Botanic Garden and make it a point to never leave any trace of my having been there. In other words, no footprints in the flower beds, no damaged plants, nothing. Don's trick works so well because it steadies the plant without causing any damage. It doesn't always work, but it does so often enough that it's worth hauling the sticks around.
I've also read several threads on other sites where people describe using "tents" to both diffuse the light and to stop the wind. I don't have any links for solid techniques, but will try to find some. It's tempting, though yet another piece of gear to carry.
These days I make heavy use of my 5-in-1 disk for diffusion and reflection. I have the 22-in. Photoflex Multidisc (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=breadCrumb&A=search&Q=&ci=6196), which I like a lot. It's excellent for a lot of light control purposes and sometimes serves as a good wind block. There are cheaper ones, but Kevin Sadler talked me into spending more money to get a quality product and I haven't regretted it.
When all else fails, I resort to flash to get the shot. I greatly dislike using flash and only use it when I want a shot and know that it's get it now or never. If I can come back and get the shot at a calmer time without flash, I will. I do use flash on occasion if I feel that the shot needs a little spark of light, but generally not. Flash is always used on a remote cord and diffused in some way, either with the wide-angle diffuser that's built into it, or by shooting through or bouncing it off of my multidisc.
As for shooting technique, a tripod is a must. I have two, but the one I use for flower shots allows me to splay the legs out and get the camera very low and/or allows me to reverse the column (I bought a short column to replace the one that came with the tripod) and hang the camera upside down. I use a ball head with a quick release. I also almost always use a remote release and frequently use mirror lock up. It's amazing how many images I've ruined because I moved the camera by pushing the shutter button or vibration from the mirror cause the slightest blur.
But above all, getting flower shots just requires a lot of patience. Hope all of this rambling helps.
Gary
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harrydr
06-13 04:00 PM
BimmerFan, my wife is planning to apply for the med school and mostly the hospitals tend to apply for J visa instead of H1-B. Of course my preference is to get H1-B for her to avoid the J1 waiver process and who knows how tough their policy might turn out to be once you apply.
From your expreince it seems like you have lived this process inside out. Can you please PM me with your phone number so that i can have a more private correspondence with you. I would be greatly thankful to you for assisting me with this.
From your expreince it seems like you have lived this process inside out. Can you please PM me with your phone number so that i can have a more private correspondence with you. I would be greatly thankful to you for assisting me with this.
carbon
09-25 01:15 PM
I think we can get some financial support from Housing Market !
Facts:
------
The housing market is slowing down significantly and there are millions of unsold homes out there.
More than 1/2 million people are stuck in the green card process. I am sure
most are waiting for green card before they buy their house and make longtime commitment.
I think we are a "Frozen" pool of customers for the Housing Market.
500000 H1B X 200000 (average house price) = 100 billion dollar market is just
inaccessible just because of retrogression.
I think we should convince them to help us FINANCIALY.
Please IV Core members take this idea seriously and at least
SEND A LETTER TO National Association of Home Builders (NAHB) president.
Facts:
------
The housing market is slowing down significantly and there are millions of unsold homes out there.
More than 1/2 million people are stuck in the green card process. I am sure
most are waiting for green card before they buy their house and make longtime commitment.
I think we are a "Frozen" pool of customers for the Housing Market.
500000 H1B X 200000 (average house price) = 100 billion dollar market is just
inaccessible just because of retrogression.
I think we should convince them to help us FINANCIALY.
Please IV Core members take this idea seriously and at least
SEND A LETTER TO National Association of Home Builders (NAHB) president.
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mrdelhiite
08-07 05:55 AM
I filed my 485 on 2nd July and I am in process of filing 485 for my wife soon. I wana document and ask if there anything different from my 485 filing. Also can someone provide a list of supporting documents that I need attach to her application. I do have a rough list of mine but i wana make sure i dont miss anything.
Thus can someone share the list of docs required for Spouse 485 application
Changes that I need to watch out ?
Form revisions I need to use for 485/ead/AP, I think fee will be same ie for
485 –> $325+$70, EAD --> $180 , AP --> $170 ( as released in update1)
I mailed my application to Nebraska, I am based in Florida … thus according to new rule should I send my wife’s application to Taxes?
Should I include my supporting documents like I20, SSN, EAD ( of OPT) etc in her application.
should i put some bright color note on application saying that i filed my application as Single on July 2nd and now filing my wifes application as i got married on July 29th ?
Do i need to put my original employement letter with her application too or the copy will do ?
I am not using a lawyer thus any help is appreciated.
Thanks
-M :)
Thus can someone share the list of docs required for Spouse 485 application
Changes that I need to watch out ?
Form revisions I need to use for 485/ead/AP, I think fee will be same ie for
485 –> $325+$70, EAD --> $180 , AP --> $170 ( as released in update1)
I mailed my application to Nebraska, I am based in Florida … thus according to new rule should I send my wife’s application to Taxes?
Should I include my supporting documents like I20, SSN, EAD ( of OPT) etc in her application.
should i put some bright color note on application saying that i filed my application as Single on July 2nd and now filing my wifes application as i got married on July 29th ?
Do i need to put my original employement letter with her application too or the copy will do ?
I am not using a lawyer thus any help is appreciated.
Thanks
-M :)
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BhanuPriya
01-12 07:06 PM
Please wait and see for the details. I will post it tomorrow with all the deails how to approach FOI.
go_guy123
01-20 12:24 PM
Short pass plays
WEST COAST OFFENSE OVERVIEW (http://www.westcoastoffense.com/overview.htm)
Obama needs to stop Congress from doing the big comprehensive things and focus them on smaller and faster laws that help americans.
The current healthcare, climate change, immigration reform should be broken up in dozens of smaller bills. They will either pass or he can paint the republicans as siding with the Insurance companies to block access to healthcare for people with pre-existing conditions for example.
There are lots of parts in Healthcare, Energy, CIS, etc, that can pass right now and he should take a lead on that. Otherwise the base that voted for him in 2008 is not going to turn up in 2010.
- JZ
Rightly said all "Comprehensive" are a recipe for failures.
WEST COAST OFFENSE OVERVIEW (http://www.westcoastoffense.com/overview.htm)
Obama needs to stop Congress from doing the big comprehensive things and focus them on smaller and faster laws that help americans.
The current healthcare, climate change, immigration reform should be broken up in dozens of smaller bills. They will either pass or he can paint the republicans as siding with the Insurance companies to block access to healthcare for people with pre-existing conditions for example.
There are lots of parts in Healthcare, Energy, CIS, etc, that can pass right now and he should take a lead on that. Otherwise the base that voted for him in 2008 is not going to turn up in 2010.
- JZ
Rightly said all "Comprehensive" are a recipe for failures.
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for_ac21iv
06-01 03:21 PM
Hellow Anindya,
Thank you for pointing the petition.
I saw the petition, and I see that there are some 251 signatories.
Whats next with it ? Can we use that to "lobby" ?
Let us all know about it. So we can make it effective.
Keep posting thank you.
regards,
You guys might want to check out my online petition:
http://www.petitiononline.com/legalimm/petition.html
Thank you for pointing the petition.
I saw the petition, and I see that there are some 251 signatories.
Whats next with it ? Can we use that to "lobby" ?
Let us all know about it. So we can make it effective.
Keep posting thank you.
regards,
You guys might want to check out my online petition:
http://www.petitiononline.com/legalimm/petition.html
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lotres
11-09 07:08 AM
My lawyer told me the backlog is 400K. As an European, I am expecting to wait between 2 to 3 years for my GC. Anything sooner would be a nice surprise!
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ashkam
08-17 08:41 AM
Hi Guys,
I am on H1B and my wife is working using her EAD. Like most people on here we applied in the July 2007 rush.
Now her licence in PA was expiring and we went to renew it and provided ALL necessary documents such as Passport, I-94, current and future EADs. However at the very end after about half an hour of providing documents, the DMV guy said that the system needed "more info" and that he would have to fax everything to Harrisburg who would then contact the INS for the missing info and we would get some "letter" from the DMV.
Has anyone faced a similar issue in PA before? If so how soon after did they receive this letter? Is there anything I can do to expedite the process such as contacting my local Sentator/Congressman's office? We have a small baby and my wife needs to drive to go to work.
Thanks.
Which area of PA are you in? If you're in Southeastern PA near Philly, try the Malvern DMV. They accept I-485 receipts.
I am on H1B and my wife is working using her EAD. Like most people on here we applied in the July 2007 rush.
Now her licence in PA was expiring and we went to renew it and provided ALL necessary documents such as Passport, I-94, current and future EADs. However at the very end after about half an hour of providing documents, the DMV guy said that the system needed "more info" and that he would have to fax everything to Harrisburg who would then contact the INS for the missing info and we would get some "letter" from the DMV.
Has anyone faced a similar issue in PA before? If so how soon after did they receive this letter? Is there anything I can do to expedite the process such as contacting my local Sentator/Congressman's office? We have a small baby and my wife needs to drive to go to work.
Thanks.
Which area of PA are you in? If you're in Southeastern PA near Philly, try the Malvern DMV. They accept I-485 receipts.
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manishcp
09-21 08:30 AM
I went to PennDOT to renew my PA Driver license and they took all my pepers. Offcer informed me that he cannot get verification for my Immigration status so he can not renew my License.
They gave me a printed peper which says we will informed you by letter within 21 dyas.
Anyone has proble to renew Lic. in PA.
They gave me a printed peper which says we will informed you by letter within 21 dyas.
Anyone has proble to renew Lic. in PA.
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number30
07-26 02:12 PM
In India 3 year grad are arts, humanities, science, management and accounting.
while 4+ year degrees are for technology, engineering, agriculture, medicine.
UK (some parts of europe as well) and Australia seems to have similar system in some of its university.
even some US universities have rightly adopted the same
fsu.edu | degree in 3 (http://www.degreein3.fsu.edu/)
Degree in Three Program Description (http://www.ecu.edu/threeyeardegree/)
Panola College Degree in 3 Program (http://legacy.panola.edu/instruction/degree_3/index.html)
The point is the content is more important than the duration.
I personally think 3year UG unlikely reason for reopening I140 after GC is approved. I would be shocked if that is the case.
I am afraid this could be a paper chase. Asking more docs to creating headache for the applicant.
U.S. steps up H-1B, green card assault with paper chase (http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9135552/U.S._steps_up_H_1B_green_card_assault_with_paper_c hase)
It is better to consult attorney to handle it properly.
The issue not the three year degree But It is 16 year education or 15 year education to attain the degree. In UK it still takes 16 years education to attain the Bachelors.
while 4+ year degrees are for technology, engineering, agriculture, medicine.
UK (some parts of europe as well) and Australia seems to have similar system in some of its university.
even some US universities have rightly adopted the same
fsu.edu | degree in 3 (http://www.degreein3.fsu.edu/)
Degree in Three Program Description (http://www.ecu.edu/threeyeardegree/)
Panola College Degree in 3 Program (http://legacy.panola.edu/instruction/degree_3/index.html)
The point is the content is more important than the duration.
I personally think 3year UG unlikely reason for reopening I140 after GC is approved. I would be shocked if that is the case.
I am afraid this could be a paper chase. Asking more docs to creating headache for the applicant.
U.S. steps up H-1B, green card assault with paper chase (http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9135552/U.S._steps_up_H_1B_green_card_assault_with_paper_c hase)
It is better to consult attorney to handle it properly.
The issue not the three year degree But It is 16 year education or 15 year education to attain the degree. In UK it still takes 16 years education to attain the Bachelors.
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jfredr
06-12 10:24 AM
CIR has got nothing to do with ur visa at this point. this is my idea. better take our seniors advice here at IV
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anuh1
04-23 02:18 PM
If the client is ready to offer employment to you, client will take care of everthing. Why you worry about the law suite? My best guess is he is just threatening you because he will loose money on you. If you want you can scare him saying that you will put a case against him in USCIS by various reasons.
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mrdelhiite
08-07 05:55 AM
I filed my 485 on 2nd July and I am in process of filing 485 for my wife soon. I wana document and ask if there anything different from my 485 filing. Also can someone provide a list of supporting documents that I need attach to her application. I do have a rough list of mine but i wana make sure i dont miss anything.
Thus can someone share the list of docs required for Spouse 485 application
Changes that I need to watch out ?
Form revisions I need to use for 485/ead/AP, I think fee will be same ie for
485 –> $325+$70, EAD --> $180 , AP --> $170 ( as released in update1)
I mailed my application to Nebraska, I am based in Florida … thus according to new rule should I send my wife’s application to Taxes?
Should I include my supporting documents like I20, SSN, EAD ( of OPT) etc in her application.
should i put some bright color note on application saying that i filed my application as Single on July 2nd and now filing my wifes application as i got married on July 29th ?
Do i need to put my original employement letter with her application too or the copy will do ?
I am not using a lawyer thus any help is appreciated.
Thanks
-M :)
Thus can someone share the list of docs required for Spouse 485 application
Changes that I need to watch out ?
Form revisions I need to use for 485/ead/AP, I think fee will be same ie for
485 –> $325+$70, EAD --> $180 , AP --> $170 ( as released in update1)
I mailed my application to Nebraska, I am based in Florida … thus according to new rule should I send my wife’s application to Taxes?
Should I include my supporting documents like I20, SSN, EAD ( of OPT) etc in her application.
should i put some bright color note on application saying that i filed my application as Single on July 2nd and now filing my wifes application as i got married on July 29th ?
Do i need to put my original employement letter with her application too or the copy will do ?
I am not using a lawyer thus any help is appreciated.
Thanks
-M :)
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blacktongue
01-20 11:32 AM
Any EB3 here?
Famous American Immigrants � Immigration Update (http://immigrationupdate.wordpress.com/famous-american-immigrants/)
Famous American Immigrants � Immigration Update (http://immigrationupdate.wordpress.com/famous-american-immigrants/)
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Prasad_FL
08-02 04:57 PM
I am in Miami/Miramar area.
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ashkam
03-19 02:05 PM
low hanging fruit (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=I-485+low-hanging+fruit&btnG=Google+Search)
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aspiration
06-17 11:26 AM
Don't think that your call doesn't matter.. They do take the number of person called for the same issue and this is the response i got from CHC Dennis Cardoza's office...
Dennis Cardoza : Well aware of the bills, i was number 15 for friday the 13th and when i asked for total number, she said we have received 100 or so calls for these bills....
And two or three lawmakers office said that we are reviewing the bills at the moment.. so definitely a positive sign...
So grab your phone and reach out to house reps... Just try to call 2 members and i bet that you will finish the rest of the calls and you'll reply to my message so you can share your experience and encourage others.
Dennis Cardoza : Well aware of the bills, i was number 15 for friday the 13th and when i asked for total number, she said we have received 100 or so calls for these bills....
And two or three lawmakers office said that we are reviewing the bills at the moment.. so definitely a positive sign...
So grab your phone and reach out to house reps... Just try to call 2 members and i bet that you will finish the rest of the calls and you'll reply to my message so you can share your experience and encourage others.
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lecter
March 14th, 2004, 09:26 PM
I'm with Don.. although I have a camera in phone, it's got less resolution that a hungover coke bottle dipped in vaseline jelly peering through the polar ice cap after a three night binge on beer, whisky and crack.
enggr
03-17 03:56 AM
Friends,
My I-140 got denied after the RFE response. In response to the RFE in September my lawyer responded to the RFE in November and the result came early this month (march 2008).
In the RFE response in last November my lawyer told USCIS that the category was marked wrong as EB2 where the case should be actually under EB3.
USCIS denied the application saying that application cannot be approved under EB2 and request for EB3 cannot be entertained at this point.
The following are the words from USCIS denial notice.
"The petitioner indicated that it had made an error in marking the petition form and that the petition should be considered one requesting the beneficiary's classification under a different section of law. However, since the petition was filed for second-preference classification and was initially adjudicated on that basis, USCIS will not at this stage consider it for some other classification.
In accordance with a USCIS announcement dated on May 23, 2007, the petitioner may elect to file a new petition on the beneficiary's behalf requesting a different visa classification but supported by the instant labor certification.(A motion making this request would be denied.) If the petitioner elects to persue this option, it should include a cover letter which explains the request, include a copy of this denial notice, and clearly report that the original labor certification is with LIN XXXXXXXXXX housed in AXXXXXXXXX. "
Also mine and my wife's I-485 got denied on the same day. In the denial notice of I-485 USCIS has mentioned that "The regulation does not provide for an appeal to this decision."
We are planning to file a new labor certification by end of this month as the current one is 99% a gone case
As you all know I was trying to save this application to save my wife's EAD.
Please help me with one of the options below.
Regarding my rejected I-140 I have two choices as per USCIS and my lawyer. Either of them should be filed 33 days from first week of march. Doing both of the below options at the same time will result in automatic rejection of both
1) Appealing the decision
Pros: My wife gets a chance to win her EAD back which is a big win for us
Cons: USCIS has indicated in the rejection notice that they are rejecting the I-140 because it does not qualify for EB2. they added that our request for converting it into EB3 cannot be entertained at this moment of time. So chances of winning the appeal is small compared to filing new I-140 as per my lawyer
2) Applying new EB3 I-140
Pros: Chances of getting an approval under this new EB3 I-140 is more compared to appealing the old EB2 application (the old application also includes and the request to convert EB2 into EB3)
Cons: Definite loss of my wife's EAD. Also since the labor is on Aug 2006 they have a common expiration date of Jan 2008. All labors from June 2007 (somewhere around that time) expire 6 months of the approval date and I-140 within that 6 months only will be considered for processing. Since we have passed the Jan 2008 period my lawyer is saying the new I-140 can also get rejected. the only argument we can place is, the processing time taken/length of old I-140 processing and the suggestion given on old I-140 denial notice dated march 1st week.
I am wondering whether we can do an MTR (Motion to re-open on the old application). This option is not mentioned by USCIS or lawyer. I am wondering whether this option will eliminate the appeal/new I-140 application within 33 days previlege
. My answer to my attorney regarding the next course of action depends on your advice(s) very much.
Thanks in advance and I really appreciate who posted replies to my questions earlier.
Enggr:
Labor approved 2006 Aug EB2
I-140 applied 2006 Nov EB2
I-140 RFE 2007 Sep
RFE response 2007 Nov
I-140 denied 2008 Mar
My I-140 got denied after the RFE response. In response to the RFE in September my lawyer responded to the RFE in November and the result came early this month (march 2008).
In the RFE response in last November my lawyer told USCIS that the category was marked wrong as EB2 where the case should be actually under EB3.
USCIS denied the application saying that application cannot be approved under EB2 and request for EB3 cannot be entertained at this point.
The following are the words from USCIS denial notice.
"The petitioner indicated that it had made an error in marking the petition form and that the petition should be considered one requesting the beneficiary's classification under a different section of law. However, since the petition was filed for second-preference classification and was initially adjudicated on that basis, USCIS will not at this stage consider it for some other classification.
In accordance with a USCIS announcement dated on May 23, 2007, the petitioner may elect to file a new petition on the beneficiary's behalf requesting a different visa classification but supported by the instant labor certification.(A motion making this request would be denied.) If the petitioner elects to persue this option, it should include a cover letter which explains the request, include a copy of this denial notice, and clearly report that the original labor certification is with LIN XXXXXXXXXX housed in AXXXXXXXXX. "
Also mine and my wife's I-485 got denied on the same day. In the denial notice of I-485 USCIS has mentioned that "The regulation does not provide for an appeal to this decision."
We are planning to file a new labor certification by end of this month as the current one is 99% a gone case
As you all know I was trying to save this application to save my wife's EAD.
Please help me with one of the options below.
Regarding my rejected I-140 I have two choices as per USCIS and my lawyer. Either of them should be filed 33 days from first week of march. Doing both of the below options at the same time will result in automatic rejection of both
1) Appealing the decision
Pros: My wife gets a chance to win her EAD back which is a big win for us
Cons: USCIS has indicated in the rejection notice that they are rejecting the I-140 because it does not qualify for EB2. they added that our request for converting it into EB3 cannot be entertained at this moment of time. So chances of winning the appeal is small compared to filing new I-140 as per my lawyer
2) Applying new EB3 I-140
Pros: Chances of getting an approval under this new EB3 I-140 is more compared to appealing the old EB2 application (the old application also includes and the request to convert EB2 into EB3)
Cons: Definite loss of my wife's EAD. Also since the labor is on Aug 2006 they have a common expiration date of Jan 2008. All labors from June 2007 (somewhere around that time) expire 6 months of the approval date and I-140 within that 6 months only will be considered for processing. Since we have passed the Jan 2008 period my lawyer is saying the new I-140 can also get rejected. the only argument we can place is, the processing time taken/length of old I-140 processing and the suggestion given on old I-140 denial notice dated march 1st week.
I am wondering whether we can do an MTR (Motion to re-open on the old application). This option is not mentioned by USCIS or lawyer. I am wondering whether this option will eliminate the appeal/new I-140 application within 33 days previlege
. My answer to my attorney regarding the next course of action depends on your advice(s) very much.
Thanks in advance and I really appreciate who posted replies to my questions earlier.
Enggr:
Labor approved 2006 Aug EB2
I-140 applied 2006 Nov EB2
I-140 RFE 2007 Sep
RFE response 2007 Nov
I-140 denied 2008 Mar
lazycis
09-26 10:30 AM
If employer revokes I-140 (even after 180 days) and I-485 get denied, you lose your old PD. So it's not set in stone.
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